20 May 2012

Mark Zuckerberg, Beta

Here’s the proof:

I'm so proud of you, Dr. Chan : )

That’s what he posted on his GF’s Facebook wall  for getting her degree.  There is, of course, nothing necessarily wrong with complimenting a women for genuine accomplishment (she has her degree from UC’s school of medicine, so it’s not a garbage degree like, say, womyn’s studies).  But emoticons?  Those should only be used by middle-school-aged girls.

* For further proof of Zuckerburg’s crippling betatude, check out the pictures of his “girl”friend in the linked-to article.  Also see here.


  1. He's just a regular guy. Beta smeta!
    Does it really matter?

    As for the emoticons, many guys use them it means nothing in the scheme of things.

    That Zuckerberg is a gangly nerdy kind of guy is not his fault.

    Seems like a nice bloke. He is who he is.

    Besides with all that money and a loving wife who is a paediatrician, who obviously cares for kids, I don't think he would care much about whether people think he is a beta or not.. Do you? ;)

  2. I think the point is that he vastly, vastly undershot in terms of mate given his level of success. His mate is very average for any upper middle class American guy, which just underscores that what is critical in level of mate is alpha and beta much more than "success". MZ is more successful than 99.9% of all men in the world, yet he doesn't have at all a 99.9% level mate, because he is rather obviously beta rather than alpha.

  3. You people are something else!


    My husband is not good looking.. Average.

    But I saw beyond all of that!
    He is smart has a good heart. Is honest. We have a good laugh and share common interests.

    How the hell do you know that MZ's mate is very average?

    Your superficial slip is showing.

    I shake my head. I really do.
    You have no idea what this woman is really like, do you?

    She is not that great to look at, neither is he.

    You don't get it do you?

  4. Kathy --

    The point is that MZ's success didn't boost his attractiveness much -- it may have boosted him to the average level of the UMC American male, but that's about it. The takeaway for men is that degree of success isn't really an attractor in itself -- other things are much more important in determining whether a woman is attracted to you in 2012 than your level of success, provided you are over a certain floor. Of course, that doesn't mean men shouldn't pursue extreme success if they want to do so -- it's fine if that's what they want from life, but they should know it doesn't really impact their level of attraction to women, and worldly success neither makes one alpha nor above average in attractiveness to women.

  5. Listen, these two have been together for over eight years.. Since college..

    No, success is not an attractor.

    My point exactly.

    They just fell in love.

    Get over your over analytical self, will ya.

    Thank God I didn't have some third party trying to turn me off my husband before I married him.

    He never had much money but I loved him just the same..

    Of course now , he has a thriving business..

    You need to understand that people just fall in love.. It's really that simple.

    One cannot help who one is attracted to..

  6. Kathy --

    The point is what type of person is going to fall in love with you -- that is the question. For men, this depends on alpha/beta, and Zuck didn't get much lift at all from his success. That is the point.

  7. No, the point was that he was a beta.. Supposedly..(You have no idea, actually)

    Which really, did not impact on him in a negative fashion at all.

    He neither knows nor cares that he is a beta.

    He is happy.. *Rolls eyes*

    That's why I say beta smeta..

    Who cares?
    He and his wife are happy..

    Don't you have something better to do?

    Beta, is after all, in the eyes of the beholder. ;)

  8. Kathy --

    The whole point of alpha/beta is about attraction. Zuck is clearly beta based on his appearance *and* his mannerisms (yes, appearance counts, too).

    I have no idea how happy he is -- not my point. My point is that his ability to attract was surely based on his attractiveness, and that is based on his beta/alpha. In previous generations of men, he would have been able to leverage his success as an attraction vector (see: Bill Gates, who is in many ways very similar to MZ), but that isn't the case any longer. So, the takeaway for guys today is to not view your success as an attraction issue, provided you are over a certain floor -- MZ did average for his social class regardless of his success, and you will, too, unless you focus specifically on what makes you attractive (or not) and work on that.

  9. I give up!

    Sometimes people just meet and are attracted to one another.

    You are certainly not a romantic, KB..;)

    "She walks in beauty, like the night
    Of cloudless climes and starry skies;
    And all that's best of dark and bright
    Meet in her aspect and her eyes:
    Thus mellowed to that tender light
    Which heaven to gaudy day denies.

    One shade the more, one ray the less,
    Had half impaired the nameless grace
    Which waves in every raven tress,
    Or softly lightens o'er her face;
    Where thoughts serenely sweet express
    How pure, how dear their dwelling place.

    And on that cheek, and o'er that brow,
    So soft, so calm, yet eloquent,
    The smiles that win, the tints that glow,
    But tell of days in goodness spent,
    A mind at peace with all below,
    A heart whose love is innocent!"

    Byron was a beta, huh? :D

  10. Kathy --

    Romance always takes place in a very specific context, and that context is, to a significant degree, subject to our own manipulation. The "it just happens" approach is completely useless, for both men and women (albeit in different ways). Manipulating context for men to generate attraction is alpha/beta -- you become the context in which attraction is formed and romance develops. That is the point.

  11. I mentioned to my sister how Zuck married right after facebook went public, making Chan worth at least half of Zuck's fortune.

    She immediately said, "but they are in love, right?"

    Kind of curious that Zuck started dating this soon to be Tigermom the same year Facemash started and crashed the harvard servers?? It was a drop of alpha in a sea of beta.

  12. Looks like the high status haven't done much to elevate his testosterone or confidence.

  13. Headline year +5: Zuckerbergs "unfriend" each other. Undeserving woman to receive $10,000,000,000 in unearned wealth.

    Manosphere commentary: Mark, did you really think that your outcome would be better than that of Tiger Woods, Paul McCartney, Phil Collins, John Cleese, etc., etc., etc.?

  14. @Kathy- calm down. I wasn't mocking MZ for being beta. I was mocking him for using emoticons (I really hate it when people--not just men--use them). I merely observed that MZ was beta, and offered further proof. Don't make a mountain out of this molehill.

    @knightblaster- I agree that he has undershot; I don't agree that he has issues attracting women. I think MZ does not have any issue attracting women (particularly those of the gold-digging variety).

    @Grit- it's possible that they are. As Roissy and others have observed, Asian women are more tolerant of beta behaviors.

    @infowarrior- it might be the case that MZ invented FB to have his own stash of voyeur porn. That would explain the lower testosterone levels (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3pTFFHzgOk ).

    @Anonymous- assuming FB stock value hasn't tanked by then.

  15. Gold-digging doesn't count as "attraction", however.